Hi Yorkie, Thanks for the reply - have not had chance to get onto Church Wilne stretch as yet - been busy with trout fishing at the moment - fished on upper Derwent last week and was very coloured up after the rain. Thanks for the info re the POD stretch. Have seen your other post about the stillwaters - What has gone wrong with the Forum ????? Have tried to get a few items started (that was main reason for this post if truth be known) but hardly anyone is putting posts on here at the moment. Tight Lines - Steve.